LGF - In bed with the enemy…
Antifa/AFA PosterIs this the people that LGF wants to join forces with?
It has been the speculation of late that Little Green Footballs have been infiltrated, some like James Lewis at American Thinker, thought that a LGF might be infiltrated by Belgian political “Black Ops”, which can be really hard to prove or disprove. Personally I don’t believe that to be the case, however, I do believe that LGF have been infiltrated by leftists and the so-called “Anti-Fascist Action” and similar groups, witnessed by the influence and prominence that Øyvind Strømmen and others are getting on LGF in advicing against alleged fascists in Vlamms Belang and Sveden Democrats.
A couple of days ago I was made aware of a Dutch blog: Het Vrije Volk (The Free People), and the post by a certain Bottehond (Rude Dog): “LittleGreenFootballs is geïnfiltreerd.” (LGF is infiltrated) in particular, by a trustworthy source, that wishes to remain anonymous, since that source knew that I read some Dutch. – I read through the article, and it became apparennt that this Bottehond was onto something. Unfortunately my Dutch wasn’t good enough to provide a good translation into English. But today a translated version of the post by Bottehond arrived in my email by my anonymous source (see below).
One might wonder as I’ve done before on this blog, who exactly is it that LGF wants to be their bedfellows in this fight, and why they are giving the real fascists (AFA/Antifa) such a prominent platform to spread their hatred and contempt for anything that doesn’t conform to their Marxist/Stalinist ideology. And he will receive no gratitude from these people, as soon as he stops being useful, they will turn on him without a second thought. In fact Charles Johnson has let himself become a useful idiot to the extreme left, and his blog a tool to create a wedge in the counter-jihad movement. The big question is will he realize this before it is too late, or is he so obsessed with being right that he will continue on his path of self-destruction?
LittleGreenFootballs has been infiltrated
Bottehond, 25 december 2007For some weeks a controversy rages between the counter-jihadis of Litte Green Footballs and a number of Islam-critical topbloggers. Your reporter went into the battle zone of this controversy to discover a sinister plot, and the with that explanation why this matter went completely out of control.
On first glance the issue seems to be whether or not some European parties are fascist or not, notably Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Both parties sent representatives to the anti-Islam conference in Brussels, where nearly all relevant players were present. This hurt LGF’s feelings, who in the meanwhile was being tipped off by Swedish anti-fascists.
But further investigation proved there is more going on. The debate went completely out of control: old alliances and long lasting friendships might very well be permanently damaged. How did this come to be?
Because of the Brussels Conference LGF boss Charles Johnson received messages from Europe about the assumed neo-Nazi secret agenda of Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Johnson obviously was flabbergasted. Understandable, because, as many posters said: “If it can be proven that European anti-Islam organizations are allied to fascists, many Americans will step aside from supporting the Euro anti-Islam organizations. An old problem was reborn again. Who doesn’t remember the messages collected by Blokwatch (and partly fabricated by them) about the roots of Flemish nationalism, who, as is commonly known, en masse choose to support the Nazis during WW2, in the hope of gaining independence after the war. Blokwatch also collected a lot of material about contacts between Vlaams Blok and questionable neo-Nazi organisations and persons. A similar file was collected about Sverigedemokraterna. The Swedes had some members in their ranks who maintained similar contacts with questionable clubs and persons.
In the following weeks many bloggers pointed Johnson to the fact that most of the “evidence” was razor thin, could be easily countered and was often manipulated. Then something important happened. Every reasonable man with sufficient understanding of politics will understand the vulnerable position of the international anti-Islam movement, and will know he has to work carefully and with restriction. Not so on LGF. Every critical remark about the “evidence” or suggestion of making things up were tarred as fascists or VB apologists. Even the most reasonable posters were scolded and suspected. Johnson was not capable of keeping the situation under control. Far from it: he was tempted by a herd of Lizards (which is how the posters on LGF call themselves) to estrange himself even more from such reputable bloggers as Fjordman, the folks of Gates of Vienna and Brussels Journal.
In the ongoing debate a Norwegian antifascist, Øyvind Strømmen, showed up. He wrote the book “Eurofascism”. Several times Charles Johnson published parts of this book, all of them accusations aimed at Vlaams Belang and Sverigedemokraterna. Of course, all of this was simply more of the same. In my opinion, it was a major error of Charles Johnson to quote from this book. Not just because the material was mainly irrelevant; to the contrary. Such accusations should always be taken seriously. But because he refused to call for a time-out or discuss matters with the (at that time) friends and allied bloggers, Johnson hanged himself with his, or better phrased, this evidence. That evidence became quickly irrelevant; matters had gone too far already. Apparently Charles Johnson had released the genie out of the bottle and had no idea how to get it back again. He had few options but to keep walking the path he made himself.
Now the smoke has cleared, mainly because Johnson’s opponents had the wisdom not to overreact we can make up the balance sheet. Those who followed the debates have seen the resentful tone that many Lizards used. LGF is known as very much pro-Israel, which really is a point to their benefit. It’s no surprise many Shoah survivors or descendants from them are amongst the Lizards, and they turned themselves away from the Euro movement. Add to this the deep suspicion many Americans hold about Europe, and European history, and we have the explanations for this debate that went completely out of control. At least, that is what a superficial observer will think.
However, to quote Daniël Belinfante: “there is more going on”. Let’s have a closer look at this gentleman Mr. Øyvind Strømmen. Who is he? A small investigation showed that Mr. Strømmen is member of this club: http://webhost.ua.ac.be/extremismanddemocracy/members/MembersList-S.htm When we read this list carefully, we find the name and founder of Blokwatch, the “anti-fascist” blog that began the accusations of fascism against Vlaams Belang. This is Marc Spruyt. You will find his name on this list.
But there is more: Mr. Spruyt, a friend of Øyvind Strømmen, did much to internationalize the ‘anti-fascist’ jihad by founding disreputable anarchistic-like clubs such as AFA Netherlands. These chappies are internationally organized. Scandinavia abounds with these little progressive clubs. Perhaps you recall the attempted murder on four SIOE members in Copenhagen, recently? Yes, friends of our friends Spruyt and Strømmen. Those of you who would bear the stench can open a cesspit of extreme left Inquisition. And be surprised of the way these little hysteric clubs work intimately together, internationally.
What are the conclusions of this little investigation? The obvious, of course. LGF has been infiltrated by left wing fanatics, who respect nobody and nothing to achieve their goals. Those who tar everybody fascist who resists, for example, the Islamization of Europe. We are talking here about delusional fanatics who are so utterly convinced of being right (compare them the Baader Meinhof gang) they don’t worry about one victim more or less. They actually became what they fought: merciless fascists. Their current champion: Øyvind Strømmen. The man shows off with his many ‘investigations’, but got his ‘investigation’ directly from Marc Spruyt. I do not doubt this applies to his ‘investigations’ about Sverigedemokraterna as well.
Please draw your own conclusions by reading his own forum. A very weak debater, drawing up smokescreen after smokescreen. All questions that might compromise him will remain unanswered. However, his strategy is clear enough: he wants to uncover the Islam-watchers as fascist fanatics, or at least as their helpers. Practically ALL Islam critics (Bat Ye ‘Or, Oriana, Robert Spencer, Mark Steyn, Fjordman, just to mention a few) have been criticized by him. There can be no doubt at all: Øyvind Strømmen thinks Islamization is a hoax, and Islam critics are mentally ill or (his preference) fascists. And this is supposed to be the
source of Johnson? An infamy!Did Strømmen enter the debate alone? Of course not. I found so much hatred in the ongoing debate that my conclusion is that Charles Johnson not only has a very questionable advisor, but also that the Lizards have been infiltrated. Check it out for yourself. Observe the responses from the Lizards: foaming at the mouth as they blast their ‘fascist’ mantra to your postings. Amongst them are a lot of Europeans who will claim not to be left wing orientated. But also a bunch of Lizards who feed Charles Johnson with a deluge of evidence. Evidence collected for many years by the Strømmens and Spruyts of the world.
There is a little bit of good news to report as well. Charles Johnson has put some distance between himself and Strømmen. He repeatedly said that he doesn’t agree with everything Strømmen said or stands for. Hardly possible, as Charles keeps the photo of Oriana prominently on his website. Hopefully he will realize one cannot have it both ways. I called on LGF for the relevant actors in this case to enter a debate. Face to face, for communication of such and important matter by mail will not do. The raid on LGF by Euro extremists makes it crystal clear that we cannot afford to. Only reason can heal the breech. Therefore I suggest that all involved pick up the job as soon as possible. That is to honestly what I as an irrelevant islam-watcher demand from all of them.
The only question remaining is: will Øyvind Strømmen hang Charles Johnson’s scalp on his AFA belt, or will Charles Johnson see reason, and organize a mediation?
*** UPDATED ***
Some translation corrections have been made, and a mixup of identities between Marc Spruyt and Bart Spruyt has been corrected.
December 27th, 2007 at 17:36:44 CET
I have just mailed the editors of Het Vrije Volk with the request to rectify a serious matter of mistaken identity. In this post a Bart Spruyt is mentioned. Investigation into the attached file yields the information that the identity of this person is actually a Marc Spruyt. Bart Jan Spruyt on the contrary is a respectable conservative journalist and founder of the Edmund Burke think tank. Please take note.
December 27th, 2007 at 17:38:20 CET
Sorry, forgot to leave URL of the Politeia website.
December 27th, 2007 at 17:43:36 CET
I noticed that too, when I was researching the original Dutch post, and made a mental note to myself to rectify this, but forgot to do it while posting. However, it has been corrected now.
December 27th, 2007 at 19:02:50 CET
“Bottehond” should be translated as “Rude Dog”.
In Dutch, “bot” as a pronoun means “bone”; as an adjective it can mean “rude”.
December 27th, 2007 at 19:13:59 CET
Mark,
Thanks for catching that one, I’ve changed the translation
December 28th, 2007 at 00:53:10 CET
The fact remains, as I have stated in a piece on my blog on this subject, that Vlaams Belang is ideologically a pro white Belgium movement. That on itself is racist to my knowledge and excludes non-whites from participating fully in politics and society. That should be enough for conscience people with a disliking of (not to say hatred against) racist believes to avoid being associated with Vlaams Belang and exclude this movement from it’s participation list in the fight against the islamizing of Europe and anywhere else in the world. The enemy of my enemy is not my friend. Certainly not if this means that I trade the one racist, fascist and totalitarian ideology for another. One we probably have to deal with after we successfully beaten the other. As it is it’s hard enough to avoid being labeled a racist for resisting the dominant role islam and it’s followers want to play in modern western societies or anywhere else in the world. I have no problem with people of different colors or ethnic backgrounds. I am pro multi ethnicity and have little problems with belief groups that keep their faith and moral high grounds to themselves. I am against any totalitarian movement that states that the one color, ethnic background and/ or theological or non-theological ideology should rule over the other. Or where the one color, ethic background and/ or theological or non-theological ideology enjoys more rights and freedoms than the other. Lets keep it clean. Only than you can state out loud that you are in no way motivated by racist sentiment or believes and are truly and only concerned by the way the islam (or for instance socialism and communism for that matter) acts on “non-believers” and the way islam (or other totalitarian ideologies) manifest itself in our society and world.
December 28th, 2007 at 01:29:33 CET
NederKrant,
I’m not going into the debate of Vlams Belang again, if you’re looking for the arguments I refer you to the refutations given on Gates of Vienna or you can search the archives at Center for Vigilant Freedom.
My point isn’t to open up that debate again, the charges and responses are already in the open and have been debated enough. My point here is to show some of the possible motivation by Charles Johnson for torpedoing the Counter-Jihad movement, in the way he have done, and the hypocracy of aligning himself with one sort of fascist to ward off another perceived set of fascists, while claiming that one can never ally oneself with fascists to fight other sort of fascists!
December 28th, 2007 at 02:27:20 CET
Some people can be blinded by fascism and tend to see it everywhere, or, when they’ve seen it somewhere, there is nothing else to see there anymore, until infinity. That has more to do with being paranoid as with being critical. Vlaams Belang is NOT a party with a political goal to get rid of all non-white people living in Vlaanderen. Send them an email and you’ll get an email back explicitly denying that. Vlaams Belang has strongly denied this accusation over and over and over again. In the media as well as on their own website. They are the biggest party in Flemish Parliament and represent the majority of Flemish people. I refuse to believe the majority of Flemish people are racists like I refuse to believe they are all stupid. Bear in mind that the average Flemish person knows much more to say about Vlaams Belang as the average Dutch who stands on the sideline.
December 28th, 2007 at 02:37:39 CET
Mark,
Having met and spoken to a few Vlams Belang people myself, I don’t belive that they are white supremacists or anything like it, so I concur with the material posted by Center for Vigilant Freedom and Gates of Vienna. But it is of course up to everyone to judge for themselves, all I’m saying is keep your options open, listen to the arguments meet the people and talk to them, and then form your opinion.
My problem with Charles Johnson is that he didn’t do any of these things, he jumped right into condemning Vlams Beland and the Sweden Democrats based on some very thin “evidence” nicely spoonfed to him by leftist Antifa/AFA people and sympathizers.
December 29th, 2007 at 09:37:35 CET
Zonka,
You are missing the point by miles. I’m not about to debate whether Vlaams Belang is or is not racist. Point is that it is. Like it or not. Vlaams Belang, according to their propaganda as well as their leader Filip Dewinter have stated many times that they are striving for “Eigen volk eerst, een Vlaams Vlaanderen en.een blank Europa”. The translation is “Own people first, a Flemish Flanders and a white Europe”. If you want to I can produce video evidence of Filip Dewinters statements. So the point is… to discuss whether Vlaams Belang has or has no (neo)Nazi ties, connections or sympathy is besides the point. As it is besides the point whether or not LGF is “invaded by leftist, fascist” or aliens for all I care. To discuss whether Vlaams Belang is a racist and/ or a white supremacist party is utterly pointless. Just because, according to their own statements and self declared mission they are. So what is there to deny ? With this in mind you should reread my former posting. It’s crystal clear. I nor Johnson need leftist antifa/afa people and sympathizers to spoon feed me or him anything that’s so clear to come to the conclusion that Vlaams Belang is a racist organisation and I will do my best not to be associated with them. Whether all members and voters are racist is of no importance. Just like it’s of no importance whether or not all muslims are terrorist or not. It’s the ideology that counts.
December 29th, 2007 at 10:20:11 CET
NederKrant,
You’re putting an awful lot of interpretation into the words “Eigen Volk eerst” and yes some of those interpretations could have supremacist meaning if you really search for it. However, if you take the opposite statement “Andere Volk eerst” that is just ludicrous, however that is how many of the European governments have acted, they have supported “other” people preferential to their “own” citizens. And as such the quote makes perfect sense!
You help your own before you can help others. This is the only viable way in the end, unless you have a suicide wish.
But of course, if you want to paint Filip Dewinter or any other as a white supremacist, you can always find something to support your notion, if you ignore all the other things you find that tells you the opposite. Now you probably want to say that this applies in the reverse as well, and you’re quite right it does. The difference here is that I and others don’t consider them guilty until proven innocent. We have reasons to believe that they are OK, but are keeping an eye on them as we do we do with everybody.
December 30th, 2007 at 02:21:57 CET
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December 30th, 2007 at 04:28:14 CET
Zonka,
I’m not sure whether you are a native Dutch speaker or manage Dutch as well as I do. Because if you do you would understand the true meaning of the term “eigen volk eerst”. A phrase means more than just the words that it is made up of. It’s also the context it is used in. In this case it means nothing more, but certainly nothing less than excluding all others than native white people, no matter how long these non-natives and non-whites are part of the culture and society. They will always be “strangers” with, if Vlaams Belang would get their policy and ideology implemented, no right to vote or to take part in the democratic political en social process. They would never get a right to stay in Belgium, a right to work, a passport and the Belgium nationality. How’s that for apartheid going on to the year 2008 ?
But aside from this by Vlaams Belang more than often used phrase I was more focused on the even more often used phrase and strife for “een blank Europa” that means a white Europe. Doesn’t this sounds racist or as white supremacy to you ? I was wondering why you missed or ignored this part of the propaganda and rhetoric of Vlaams Belang ? Look… I will fight to the end for a Vlaams Belang to protect even their right on free speech, the right to form a political party and to participate in Europe’s political arena. That’s what freedom means. It goes all the way. But I will not ignore nor deny the fact that Vlaams Belang is in essence a racist white supremacist party with a racist apartheids ideology and agenda. Whether or not Vlaams Belang fights against the Islamising of Europe with the right motives and we share that part of my agenda is irrelevant to me.
Just the fact that Vlaams Belang is in essence based upon a racist agenda makes me want to avoid being associated with “them”. Just because I’m no racist and am in no way motivated by racist “feelings” or views. As I said before… it’s hard enough to avoid the constant leftist propaganda that my anti Islamic views and principles are based upon xenophobic and racist believes. If I or anyone else with a, in fact clean and non-xenophobe or racist anti totalitarian mindset (that includes the totalitarian strife of ideologies like the islam, communism, socialism, nazism and other totalitarian “believes”), would find themselves associated with political parties like Vlaams Belang it will in the end hurt our efforts to fight totalitarian ideologies. Totalitarian ideologies like Vlaams Belang is based upon as well.
I will not make the same mistake the predecessors of Vlaams Belang and the likes of them once made. And that is to collaborate with the nazis and other fascist organisations to obtain a certain objective (in their case the independence of the Flemish people). You can certainly see how this has hurt not only their cause but them as well for decades now. They will never get over the label they put upon themselves and the fact that they will always be associated with racism and nazism and every cause they will ever pursuit will be viewed with their historical error in the back of the minds of decent people. An error they keep repeating, I must add. Because until this day and age they keep associating themselves with racist persons, organisations and spewing racist rhetoric and propaganda.
Keeping the islam, as being the totalitarian racist and fascist ideology as it is, out of our liberal modern democratic societies is a noble cause that one day will be associated with the fight and resistance against nazism, communism and other totalitarian believes and political systems. Once again, lets keep it clean so you and I will never ever be associated with any other racist believe or views. Not if we, some day in the future want to be looked upon people with strong morals that where once fighting a lonely battle to preserve our freedoms against, what I believe is, dessert nazism that goes and hides under the name islam…
December 30th, 2007 at 17:18:31 CET
NederKrant,
First I have to say that what I’ve seen and what I’ve heard from the Vlams Belang people that I’ve spoken to, as well as the actions of Vlams Belang so far are not alarming vis-a-vis the charges laid upon them. And the charges themselves seems more and more like taken out of context or over-interpreted into having racist or white supremacist meaning. But tell me why would a party that supposedly is white supremacist have people like Aisha Van Zele, who is obviously not white, running as a member of the party? (and she is not the only one). Why would they be stauch supporters of the Jews and Israel?
But the crux of the matter is that they are a pro-national, pro-ethnic party, that wish independence for the flemish people, an ethnic unity in the artificial construct of Belgium, and they believe in the nationstate. To the Eurocrats, the leftwingers and the political correct elite, that is a deadly sin. But that is who we are. We are not Europeans, we are first and foremost Danes, Dutch, German, English, Scotish, French, etc. We have a lot in common but we are definitely not the same. And the unholy mix of Eurocrats, leftwing politicians and PC elite wants to put us all into the blender and add even more into the mix… And that is a recipe for disaster.
There’s nothing wrong with being pro-national, it just means that you have a home and you’re the master of that home, it also means that you recognize that other peoples right to have their own home or nation. But that is not supremacy, except in your own home. And likewise there is nothing wrong with being pro-ethnic, unless you’re white of course, in which case you simply have no right to exist, according to the PC elites. Like it or not Europe have been the home of white people since the Ice Ages, and even the UN recognizes the rights of indigenous people to have their own territory and keep their customs and ethnicity free from being diluted. But that doesn’t apply to Europeans!
No Sir, there is no escaping the label of racism or even white supremacy if you want to fight for Europeans to have a place called home, because the elites are hellbent on importing third world people, and mostly muslims, in ever growing numbers to replace the original europeans or reduce them to a minority. Now bear in mind that I don’t say that the Europeans are superior or better than anybody else, in some cases they are worse in some cases they are better, but my point is that we have a right to our own homes (nations) and I for one will fight for that right. Does that mean that I am against foreigners, not at all, foreigners are welcome either as guests/visitors or to stay if they want to adopt to our kind of ways in whatever country they want to settle, and that they don’t come a so great numbers that it is impossible to integrate them into our society or to upset the balance of ethnicity.
And that is why I believe that Vlams Belang and parties like that is the right people to associate with, because they haven’t given into the PC lies and multi-cultural wet-dream. It has been shown over and over again in various studies that when the ethnic balance gets out of whack, that the trust and solidarity of a community goes down the drain. And a situation where most European countries have more than 10% muslims living inside their borders, with an average fertility rate of 3.5 compared to the ethnic European fetility rate of between 1.13 and 1.79. It isn’t hard to see where that is going. Muammar Ghaddaffi said it himself, without firing a single shot Europe will become Muslim in the 21st century.
So do you still think Vlams Belang is a bad ally? I don’t think that we’re in a position where we can afford to throw away allies, and not allies that actually fights for the right of Europeans to have their own homes. This is also why the independence of the Flemish part of Belgium is important, because it is a fight for autonomy of our own homes, and a fight against the artificial hegemony of the European Union. In essense it is a fight for self-determination, for democracy and for freedom. And fortunately a lot of Flemish people have seen that and voted for Vlams belang, in spite of the hate campaign that have been waged upon them. And if fighting for these things make you a racist or worse, then I can live with that, the alternative on the other hand is frightening.
And one last thing, you won’t eacape the label of racist, even if you disassociate yourself from Vlams Belang or the like, it is already painted all over you, the moment that you stood up against Islam, or for the most extreme the moment you were born if you’re white, unless you redeem yourself by becoming an active anti-racist and obediently looks down upon your own skin color. Enough is enough, it’s time to not bow down and to claim equal rights for all skin colors, black, white or blue. And at the same time stop blaming everything on the white man!
December 30th, 2007 at 23:00:48 CET
Zonka,
I could not care less about a single black female that’s part of Vlaams Belang. That makes the strive for a mono ethnic Europe any less racist. As you might know there where even a few Jews in the Nazi party and as you might know there was once a Dutch Jewish counsel to aid the Nazi’s with selecting Jews to put on transport to the concentration camps. The Hitler family had a Jewish doctor. Recently a Jewish Nazi gang was arrested in Israel. Ask any racist that wants to deny his racism and he will point out a few black “friends” that are “different” than the blacks he normally hates for no apparent reason. En so on…
And please listen to yourself. “Indigenous people to have their own territory and keep their customs and ethnicity free from being diluted”. With “diluted” you mean in spoiled ? In the rest of your reply you sound like a true xenophobe that hangs on to a ethnicity he had nothing to do with in de first place. As I said before, I have no problem whatsoever with ethnic or cultural differences. As long as no one of “them” wants to put “us” in harms way and want to push us into a submissive role (dhimmitude) and forcibly wants “us” tot obey to their religious standards and morals.
By the way… who makes up the rules about the possible dilution of your ethnicity ? Are (religious) Jews spoiling your culture and ethnicity ? is being black maybe a threat to your identity ? And what is your identity worth anyway if it’s so easily disturbed by people of different colour or ethnic backgrounds ? You odd to separate mass immigration of a people with a religious animosity against our liberal modern and democratic society from immigrants that came to our countries to do what you and I do. Namely tot have a good live, to work hard to get by and to clime the economic ladder.
The studies you mention are worthless. The US of A is purely made up out of hundreds of ethnicities. Most of them fit in beautifully. Just the ones that, out of political, ideological and/ or religious motives, want to play a dominant role over all the others are the ones that are stirring up the place. So, it’s not the ethnicity that’s the problem but the religious believes and political and/ or ideological believes that sometimes comes with them that’s the real problem. You have to separate the religious, political and/ or ideological believes from the actual people, there skin colour and their ethnical backgrounds.
If they are able to keep their believes (if they have any at all…) to themselves, as you and I should, there is no problem at all. I have dozens of friends from different ethnical (Surinam, Chinese, Antillean, Cuban, Venezuelan, etc) background. Even some white Negroes. And surprise surprise… all of them are strong believers in freedom for all, no forced up religious, political and/ or ideological believes for and from anyone. If they have any I never noticed and they are keeping it to themselves. We even share some moral views in case of the islam (totalitarian by nature). So what’s the beef !?
In the Netherlands (the place my home is) more than 30% are former foreigners. If you would take into account the number of people from non-Dutch dissent it probably would make op up to 50% or more of all people living in the Netherlands. It’s just that 5 to 8% that is a pain in the neck. The troublemakers come from the 7% muslims that we inhabit, of whom the most of them keep their fait to themselves, so we are talking about 3% at it’s most. So you want me to deny 47% of all the inhabitants of the Netherlands the right to full citizenship because some muslim idiots are “diluting” our culture and ethnicity ?
With a illogical mind as you just showed me I would throw away a ally like you anytime of the day. I certainly don’t deny the huge problems we have with muslims. In contrary… But I seek the solution in justice for al. The same amount of justice to be exact. So no more mister nice guy form people that strife for a dominant part in politics and social sense. And as I said before, I couldn’t care less what it is they think they should fight for.. we all have to obey by the same secular and democratic laws. And our governments should see to it so we can all live in freedom and prosperity.
The things I’m most “frightened” of are people that want to forcefully place us all under their (not seldom backwards) religious and/ or ideological “morals” on the one hand, and people like you that keep repeating the same errors over and over again. The same Flemish people for instance that had the stupid idea that becoming an ally of Adolf Hitler and his racist murderous gang would benefit their cause. We all know where this lead up to. Further more… I think I’ve made my statement and I was very clear about the views and principles I hold up high. One of them is that I rather loose the fight than to have racist allies.
Because it’s all the same to me as a Dutchman of Jewish dissent. Being slaughtered by the one or the other predator is all the same to me. See You…
December 31st, 2007 at 00:52:22 CET
NederKrant,
Let me make this clear, you are so wrong on so many of your conclusions, because you want to see things your way, and anything that points the other way is summarily dismissed: “I could not care less about a single black female that’s part of Vlaams Belang.” – well she’s not the only oone there’s more, but I’m not going to find them for you, as you will dismiss them as well. And yes I’m sure there were Jews in the nazi party, hiding the fact as well as they could, hoping to get by without anybody noticing.
As for the “Indigenous people to have their own territory and keep their customs and ethnicity free from being diluted” read the U.N. Declaration of The Rights of Indigenous People – and like it or not Europeans are indigenous people in Europe, not in the Americas and not in Australia, but in Europe they are. And no with diluted I mean exactly that diluted, losing the characterics that make every ethnic group special, their culture, their language, their customs, their appearance – essentially what makes them who they are, who we ourselves are. I’m not saying that one group is better than the other, what I’m saying is that all ethnic groups have a right to live in the home that they have inherited by their ancestors. So if you want a clearcut definition of diluted, I’ll give you one when you’re threatened of becoming a minority in your own land. And no Jews are not diluting my culture or ethnicity, but they might if suddenly there were a mass immigration of jews that would turn the pre-existing population into a minority. Same thing would happen if Israel got overrun by millions of of non-jews. Or even if Denmark got millions of Germans immigrants. The existing people would be run over.
Now one thing that is special about USA is that their indigenous people couldn’t resist the colonization of the white people, and what was the result of that? The same as always happen the stronger culture wins. But the really special thing by the Europeans that took over North America was that they weren’t themselves of the same ethnical makeup, but there was ample of space so that each and everyone could form their own communities and live by their own laws and customs. Which was possible because they had the overall values in common (mostly), but that was a unique situation. The same conditions cannot be found in Europe, one of the densest populated areas in the world. Europe is anothe kettle of fish, europeans are made up of lots of ethnical groups, each living more or less in their own nation state, a country that is being defined by the people living there. And part of what makes Denmark, Denmark is that the majority of the people are ethnic Danes, with a desire to be exactly that – Danes… Not Swedes, not Germans, but Danes. Same thing for most other European countries that I know of. And what do you know, the majority of Danes are white, although the makeup have changed over the last thousand years, so that there are few fair haired danes and quite a few with more continental features (German, Dutch, Slavic, etc.) originating from a slow immigration over the centuries. So yes ethinicity is not a static thing, it can change over the centuries, but to have it changed within a couple of generations, that is unacceptable, and to have it change at a pace where the people living in the country will have to change or abandon their culture wholesale, because they are being relegated into a minority is totally unacceptable. For any European country it is true, that the rate of immigration must be kept at a level where the indigenous population feels safe and where the immigrants have a chance in integrate.
What kept the USA working for so long was that they were already a diverse group of ethnicities, that had to build their culture not on ethnicity but on an idea of what it meant to be an American, and everybody was welcome to join, if they would assimilate and become an American. And what worked was that people who came to America wanted so much to become American, that they succeeded in that and was accepted. Now, that isn’t what is happening in Europe… In Europe most immigrants (and most immigrants are muslims, thanks to our elites), don’t want to become Danes, Swedes, Dutch, German, etc. they want to remain what they already are, but to enjoy the welfare system built by the Europeans, and build their own parallel societies. No other group have done that in the past, all wanted to become part of their new country, they had to work hard at it to make a living for themselves and in the end the successful ones did, the others returned home or perished. Same with USA, you either make it or you disappear. But with Europe’s welfare system, we have created a new situation that has never existed before… Where people doesn’t have to integrate or assimilate to be part of their new home, instead they can build their parallel societies, living off welfare. To be fair not all does, some do make a great effort to fit in and become part of their new country and wants to integrate or assimilate, curiously most of these immigrants are the non-muslims.
The difference between ethnicity and racism is that, racism is just plainly stupid. There is only one race of humans, the definition of a race is whether it is possible to interbreed and create viable offspring, and that holds true for all humans. Racism is also dangerous as it seeks to put one group of humans above others due to some superficial trait, such as skin color, head shapes etc. Ethnicity is different, in the sense that it doesn’t define superiority of one ethnic group over another, but celebrates diversity where each group have their own strengths and failures, and wants to preserve that uniqueness of each group. But not by putting them all into a blender to get a perfect mix of all and then have a homogeneous mass. Secondly ethnicity is not just about appearance, though it is part of it, but also about shared culture, a feeling of belonging to a place (nation/home) and sharing that with people with whom you have a lot in common with. Another thing is that ethnicity is not a static thing, the definition of a people’s ethnicity can change gradually over the years, however, if you try to do it overnight there will be a backlash. Whereas the so-called races are a static thing.
So I’m not one who is about to slaughter Jews, in fact I will fight for the Jews right to exist, as it would be a terrible loss to all of humanity if they disappeared, just as it would should Danes be lost. We all make our contributions to humanity as a whole, for being different and with different perspectives on things, even the muslims.
I hope this makes things a bit more clear. It is not me you have to fear, and it is not the Vlams Belang, what you have to fear is the political correct elites and the leftwing people, who tries to weaken our ethnic identities and put us all through the equalizer. And they have been so successful that you cannot even speak about it, lest you be called a racist, a fascist or the like. When nothing is further from the truth.